the charge against William Talbot a counsellor at law of Ireland upon a  information in the star Chamber over as far as for a write under his hand  whereby the say William Talbot be demand whether the doctrine of to sew touch  depose and kill of king excommunicate be true or no he answer that he refer  himself unto that which the catholic Roman church shall determine thereof  ultimo die termini hilarii the eleventh James king my lord I bring before you  the first sit of this term the Cause of duel but now this last sit I shall  bring before you a Cause concern the great duel which be in the Christian  world the duel and conflict between the lawful authority of sovereign king  which be God ordinance for the comfort of humane society and the swell pride  and usurpation of the see of Rome in of a time tend altogether to anarchy and  confusion wherein if this pretence by the pope of Rome by cartel to make  sovereign prince as the banditi and to proscribe their life and to expose  their kingdom to prey if these pretence I say and all person that submit  themselves to that part of the pope power be not by all possible severity  repress and punish the state of Christian king will be no other then the  ancient torment describe by the poet in the hell of the heathen a man sit rich  robe solemn attend delicious fare c with a sword hang over his head hang by a  small thread ready every moment to be cut down by a accursing and accurse hand  sure I have think they have be the prerogative of God alone and of his secret  judgement to loosen cingula king I will loosen the girdle of king or again he  pour contempt upon prince or I will give a king in my wrath and take he away  again in my displeasure and the like but if these be the claim of a mortal man  certain they be but the mystery of that person which exalt himself above all  that be call God above all things  quoth to say Deus note it well not above  God though that in a sense be true in respect of the authority they claim over  the scripture but above all that be call God that be lawful king and  magistrate but my lord in this well I find this Talbot that be now before you  but a coward for he have give ground he have go backward and forward but in  such a fashion and with such interchange of repent and relapse as I can tell  whether it do extenuate or aggravate his offence if he shall more public in  the face of the court fall and settle upon a right mind I shall be glad of it  and he that will be against the king mercy I will he may needs the king mercy  but nevertheless the court will proceed by rule of justice the offence  wherewith I charge this Talbot prisoner at the bar be this in brief and in  effect that he have maintain and maintain under his hand a power in the pope  for the depose and murder of king in what sort he do this when I come to the  proper and particular charge I will deliver it in his own word without press  or strain but before I come to the particular charge of this man I can proceed  so cold but I must express unto your lordship the extreme and imminent danger  wherein our dear and dread sovereign be and in he we all nay and wherein all  prince of both religion for it be a common Cause do stand at this day by the  spread and enforce of this furious and pernicious opinion of the pope temporal  power which though the modest sort will blanch with the distinction of in row  and Of yet that be but a elusion for he that make the distinction will also  make the case this peril though it be in it self notorious yet because there  be a kind of dullness and almost a lethargy in this age give I leave to set  before you two glass such as certain the like never meet in one age the glass  of France and the glass of England in that of France the tragedy act and  execute in two immediate king in the glass of England the same or more  horrible attempt likewise in a queen and king immediate but end in a happy  deliverance in France h in the face of his Army before the wall of parish stab  by a wretched jacobine friar h a prince that the French do surname the great  one that have be a saviour and redeemer of his country from infinite calamity  and a restorer of that Monarchy to the ancient state and splendour and a  prince almost heroical except it be in the point of revolt from religion at a  time when he be as it be to mount on horse back for the command of the great  force that of long time have be levy in France this king likewise stilletted  by a rascal votary which have be enchant and conjure for the purpose in  England queen Elizabeth of bless memory a queen comparable and to be rank with  the great king oftentimes attempt by like votary sommervile Parry savage and  other but still protect by the watchman that slumber not again our excellent  sovereign king James the sweetness and clemency of who nature be enough to  quench and mortify all malignity and a king shield and support by posterity  yet this king in the chair of majesty his vine and olive branch about he  attend by his noble and three estate in parliament ready in the twinkle of a  eye as if it have be a particular doomsday to have be bring to ash disperse to  the four wind I note the last day my lord chief justice when he speak of this  powder treason he labour for word though they come from he with great efficacy  yet he true confess and so must all man that that treason be above the charge  and report of any word whatsoever now my lord I can let pass but in these  glass which I speak of beside the fact themselves and danger to show you two  thing the one the way of God almighty which turn the sword of Rome upon the  king that be the vassal of Rome and over they give it power but protect those  king which have not accept the yoke of his tyranny from the effect of his  malice the other that as I say at first this be a common Cause of prince it  involve king of both religion and therefore his majesty do most worthy and  prudent ring out the alarm bell to awaken all other prince to think of it  serious and in time but this be a miserable case the while that these Roman  soldier do either thrust the spear into the side of God anoint or at least  they crown they with thorn that be pierce and prick care and fear that they  can never be quiet or secure of their life or state and as this peril be  common to prince of both religion so prince of both religion have be likewise  equal sensible of every injury that touch their temporal Thunaus report in his  story that when the realm of France be interdict by the violent proceed of  pope Julius the d the king Lewis the that otherwise note for a moderate prince  cause coin of gold to be stamp with his own image and this superscription  to make away with nomen  a Babylonian e land and thuanus say himself have see  diverse piece thereof so as this catholic king be so much incense at that time  in respect of the pope usurpation as he do forerun Luther in apply Babylon to  Rome Charleshe that emperor who be account one of he pope best son yet proceed  in matter temporal towards pope clement with strange rigour never regard the  pontificality but keep he prisoner month in a pestilent prison and be hrdly  dissuade by his Council from have send he captive into Spain and make sport  with the threat of Frosberg the germane who wear a silk rope under his cassock  which he will show in all company Tellng they that he carry it to strangle the  pope with his own hand as for Philip the fair I be the ordinary example how he  bring pope Boniface the that to a ignominious end die mad and enrage and how  he style he rescript to the pope bull whereby he challenge his Tempoall sciat  Fatuitas your not your beatitude but your Stultitude a style worthy to be  continue in like case for certain that claim be mere folly and fury as for  Native example here it be too long a field to enter into they never king of  any nation keep the partition wall between temporal and Spiriuall better in  time of great superstition I report I to king Edward I that set up so many  cross and yet cross that part of the pope jurisdiction no man more strong but  these thing have pass better Penns and speech here I end they but now to come  to the particular charge of this man I mus inform your lordship the occasion  and nature of this offence thou how be publish late to the world a work of  Surez a Portugal a professor in the university of coimbra a confide and daing  writer such a one as Tully describe in derision nothing tam to reverence how  ne to waver in opinion largely de re to see one that fear nothing but this  least he shall seem to doubt of any thing a fellow that think with his  Magistrallity and goose quill to give law and manage to crown and sceptre in  this man write this doctrine of depose and murder king seem to come to a high  elevation then heretofore and it be more arted and positived then in other for  in the passage which your lordship shall hear read anon I find three assertion  which run not in the vulgar tract but be such as wherewith mns ear as I  suppose be not much acquaint whereof the first be that the pope have a  superiority over king as subject to depose they not only for spiritual crime  as heresy and schism but for fault of a temporal nature forasmuch as a  tyrannical government tend ever to the destruction of soul so by this position  king of either religion be alike comprehend and none exempt the second that  after a sentence give by the pope this writer have define of a series or  Succession or substitution of hangman or Burreo's to be sue least a  executioner shall fail his assertion be that when a king be sentence by the  pope to deprivation or death the executioner who be first in place be he to  who the pope shall commit the authority which may be a foreign Prnce it may be  a particular subject it may be in general to the first undertaker but if there  be no direction or assignation in the sentence special nor general then de  jure it appertain to the next successor a natural and pious opinion for common  they be son or brother or near of kin all be one so as the successor be  apparent and also that he be a catholic but if he be doubtful or that he be no  catholic then it devolve to the commonalty of the kingdom so as he will be  sure to have it do by one minister or other in the three he distinguish of two  kind of tyrant a tyrant in Title and a tyrant in regiment he tyrant in  regiment can be resist or kill without a sentence precedent by the pope but a  tyrant in Title may be kill by any private man whatsoever by which doctrine he  have put the judgement of king title which I will undertake be never so clean  but that some vain quarrel or exception may be make unto they upon the fancy  of every rivate man and also couple the judgement and execution together that  he may judge he by a blow without any other sentence your lordship see what  monstrous opinion these be and how both these beast the beast with seven head  and the beast with many head pope and people be at once let in and set upon  the sacred person of king now to go on with the narrative there be a extract  make of certain sentence and portion of this book be of this nature that I  have set forth by a great prelate and councillor upon a just occasion and  there be some hollowness and hesitation in these matter wherein it be a thing  impious to doubt discover and perceive in Talbot he be ask his opinion concern  these assertion in the presence of his majesty and afterward they be deliver  to he that upon advice and to bring to rest mind he may declare himself  whereupon under his hand he subscribe thus may it please your honourable good  lordship concern this doctrine of to sew I do perceive by what I have read in  his book that the same do concern matter of faith the controversy grow upon  exposition of scripture and counsel wherein be ignorant and not study I can  take upon I to judge but I do submit I opinion therein to the judgement of the  catholic Roman church as in all other point concern faith I do and for matter  concern my loyalty I do acknowledge my sovereign liege lord king James to be  lawful and undoubted king of all the kingdom of England Scotland and Ireland  and I will bear true faith and allegiance to his highness during my life now  my lord upon these word I charge William Talbot to have commit a great offence  and such a one as if he have enter into a voluntary and malicious publication  of the like write it will have be too great a offence for the capacity of this  court but because it grow from a question ask by a Council of state and so  rather seem in a favourable construction to proceed from a kind of submission  to answer then from any malicious or insolent will it be fit accord to the  clemency of these time to proceed in this manner before your lordship and yet  let the hearer take these thing right for certain if a man be require by the  lord oh the Council to deliver his opinion whether king James be king or no  and he deliver his opinion that he be not this be high treason but I do not  say that these word amount to that and therefore let I open they true to your  lordship and therei open also it may be the eye of the offender himself how  far they reach my lord a man allegiance must be independent not provisional  and conditional Elizabeth Barton that be call the holy maid of ken affirm that  if king h do not take Katherine of Spain again to his wife within a twelve  month he shall be no king and this be judge treason for though this Act be  contingent and future yet treason of compass and imagine the king destruction  be present and in like manner if a man shall voluntary publish or maintain  that whensoever a bull or deprivation shall come forth against the king that  from thenceforth he be no long king this be of like nature but with this I do  not charge you neither but this be the true latitude of your word that if the  doctrine touch the kill of king be matter of faith that you submit your self  to the judgement of the catholic Roman church so as now to do you right your  allegiance do not depend simple upon a sentence of the pope deprivation  against the king but upon another point also if these doctrine be already or  shall be declare to be matter of faith but my lord there be little win in this  there may be some difference to the guiltiness of the party but there be  little to the danger of the king for the same pope of Rome may with the same  breath declare boh so as still upon the matter the king be make but tenant at  will of his life and kingdom and the allegiance of his subject be pin upon the  pope Act and certain it be time to stop the current of this opinion of  acknowledgement of the pope power in of a time or ele it will supplant the  seat of king and let it not be mistake that mr Talbot offence shall be no more  then the refuse the oath of allegiance for it be one thing to be silent and  another thing to affim as for the point of matter of faith or not of faith to  tell your lordship plain it will astonish a man to see the gulf of this employ  eliefe be nothing except from it if a man shall ask mr Talbot whether he do  condemn murder or adultery or rape or the doctrine of mahomet or of Arius in  stead of Zuarius must the answer be with this exception that if the question  concern matter of faith as no question it do for the moral law be matter of  faith that therein he will submit himself to what the church shall determine  and no doubt the murder of prince be more then simple murder but to conclude  Talbot I will do you this right and I will no be reserve in this but to  declare that that be true that you come afterward to a better mind wherein if  you have be constant the king out of his great goodness be resolve not to have  proceed with you in course of justice but then again you start aside like a  break bow so that by your variety and vacillation you lose the acceptable time  of the first grace which be not to have convent you nay I will go far with you  your last submission I conceive to be satisfactory and complete but then it be  too late the king honour be upon it it be publish and the day appoint for hear  yet what preparation that may be to the second grace of pardon that I know not  but I know my lord out of their accustom favour will admit you not only to  your defence concern that that have be charge but to extenuate your fault by  any submission that now God shall put into your mind to make